For the Animals
An Argument Guide
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D12

"I'll pay for my mistakes in my next life"

The answer in one sentence

the phrase admits that eating animals is a wrong, and only postpones the consequence for the one who eats. But the one paying now is the animal, and no future bill undoes what they suffered. Besides, the traditions that speak of karma and rebirth usually teach the opposite of what the phrase suggests: non-violence (ahimsa) is a central virtue in Jainism, Hinduism and Buddhism, and the first Buddhist precept forbids taking the life of any sentient being, animals included. Karma is a reason to avoid harm, not a license to cause it.

Short answer

You're saying it's a wrong, and I agree. But the one paying now is the animal, and no future bill undoes what they suffered. And the traditions that speak of karma and rebirth teach precisely non-violence toward all beings: in Buddhism, the first precept is not to take the life of any sentient being, animals included. Karma is a reason to stop, not to carry on.

For children

Some people believe that when we do something wrong, one day it comes back to us. But in the meantime, the one who suffers is the animal. Paying later doesn't take away the pain they felt. The best thing is not to do the wrong in the first place, rather than saving the bill for later.

Ask a question back

"If it's a wrong you'll pay for, why not stop doing it now?"

Como pode aparecer

"I'll pay in my next incarnation."
Everyday conversation
"That's between me and my karma."
Everyday conversation
"God will judge me, not you."
Everyday conversation
"You reap what you sow."
Social media
"I know it's wrong, but I won't change." (which is E12)
Honest version
"My religion approves of eating animals." (which is D11)
Religious version

The strongest version

How it is said

"I know eating meat isn't right. I'll pay for my mistakes in my next life."

Strongest version (steelman):

  1. P1Every wrong action has a consequence for the one who does it, in this life or another.
  2. P2If I accept paying that consequence, the choice is mine.
  3. CSo I can keep eating animals, as long as I accept the consequences.

P1 is a religious belief many people hold. The problem lies in P2: the choice doesn't affect only the one choosing. The animal suffers and dies now, and someone accepting to pay later changes nothing for them. A debt doesn't authorize doing the harm.

The argument is valid, but not sound: P2 treats harm done to another as a personal matter.

Full answer

  1. a

    Reconstruction and diagnosis

    The phrase concedes the moral point and changes the subject:

    What the phrase admitsWhat it changesWhat's left out
    Eating animals is a wrongThe question becomes about the consequence for the one who eatsThe harm the animal suffers now
  2. b

    Where the argument breaks

    1. The phrase admits the wrong.

    No one expects to pay for something right. As in E12, the moral point has already been conceded, and what remains is the decision to act.

    2. The one paying now is the animal.

    The eater's debt is future and uncertain. The animal's suffering is present and real. Accepting to pay later doesn't authorize causing the harm, just as accepting to go to prison doesn't authorize stealing.

    3. The traditions of karma teach non-violence.

    Ahimsa, non-violence toward all living beings, is a central virtue in Jainism, Hinduism and Buddhism. In Buddhism, the first of the five precepts is not to take the life of any sentient being, and it includes animals. In Jainism, non-violence is the most important principle and leads to strict vegetarianism.

    4. Honesty about the tradition.

    Not all of these traditions require vegetarianism. In the early Buddhist texts, the Buddha accepted the food he was offered, meat included, as long as the animal hadn't been killed for him, and Theravada monks follow this rule to this day. But the rule was about accepting alms, not about buying meat, and later Mahayana sutras condemn eating meat. In none of these traditions is knowing you're doing wrong a license to carry on.

    5. Karma is about intention.

    In many Buddhist readings, what weighs in karma is intention (cetanā). Choosing to carry on with something you know is wrong, knowing it causes suffering, is exactly the kind of intention these traditions teach people to avoid.

  3. c

    Data and sources

    SourceWhat it saysNote
    Five preceptsThe first Buddhist precept forbids taking the life of humans and of all animals
    AhimsaNon-violence toward all living beings is a central virtue in Jainism, Hinduism and Buddhism
    Ahimsa in JainismNon-violence is the central principle of Jainism
    Buddhist vegetarianismTheravada monks accept meat that is offered, unless the animal was killed for them; Mahayana sutras condemn eating meat
    KarmaKarma links intention and action to their consequences
  4. d

    The strongest counter-reply: my faith says justice comes later, and it's not your place to judge

    The most serious version says: in my belief, justice is cosmic or divine, and each person answers for their own acts. No one needs to hold anyone to account here; the bill will be settled in due time.

  5. e

    Why the counter-reply doesn't reach the conclusion

    No one is judging the person.

    The conversation is about the animal, who suffers now, not about the fate of the one who eats.

    Future justice doesn't protect the present animal.

    Even if the bill is settled later, the harm will already have happened.

    The beliefs themselves ask that the wrong be avoided.

    No tradition teaches that, because there is punishment later, it's acceptable to do wrong now.

Reasoning errors

Logical

Is the form valid?

Changing the subject
Moves from the harm to the animal to the consequence for the one who eats

Moral

Is the criterion coherent?

Forgetting the one affected
Treats harm done to another as a personal debt
Akrasia
Admits the wrong and decides to carry on

Biases

Motivated reasoning

The belief is used to ease guilt

Linked to E12

Dissociation

The animal disappears from the conversation

Benningstad and Kunst, 2020

Extrapolations

The principle being tested is: "I can do something I know is wrong, as long as I accept paying for it later".

If it applied to…TheftTap to see

Whoever accepts going to prison could steal

Absurd

If it applied to…AssaultTap to see

Whoever accepts the punishment could assault

Absurd

If it applied to…Any harmTap to see

Accepting the punishment would be enough to make the harm acceptable

Punishment doesn't undo the harm

Contradictions

Admits it's a wrong.

But carries on.

Believes in karma.

But uses the belief to justify what it condemns.

Says the choice is theirs.

But the immediate consequence falls on another.

What the argument gets right

What is true

It's right to admit the wrong, which is more honest than denying it. It's also right that actions have consequences, and that each person's faith deserves respect.

But

But if it's a wrong, the best moment to stop it is now. The traditions that speak of karma are, almost all of them, traditions of non-violence.

Connections

Usually comes before

D11 My religion approves of eating animalsThe question is handed over to religion
E12 I know it's wrong, but I won't changeThe wrong is admitted, and change is refused
D12this argument

Usually comes after

D4 God gave us dominion over animalsDivine justice is used to end the conversation
E1 It's my personal choice; don't impose your moralsThe harm to the animal is treated as a personal matter

References