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"Farmers and slaughterhouse workers would lose their jobs."

The answer in one sentence

this argument has been used against almost every moral and environmental reform: against the end of slavery, child labor, asbestos and coal. Jobs matter, which is why transitions should be planned, with support for those who depend on the sector. But changes in consumption are gradual, and demand for other foods creates new jobs. Besides, slaughterhouse work is among the most dangerous and grueling there is.

Short answer

Jobs matter, and that's why the transition should be planned. But this argument was used against the end of slavery, child labor and asbestos. Changes in consumption are gradual, and demand for plant foods creates new jobs in farming, industry and retail. And slaughterhouse work is among the most dangerous and grueling there is: change could be good for the workers too.

For children

Lots of people work raising animals or in slaughterhouses, and they need jobs. That's why the change has to happen little by little, helping those people find other work, such as growing beans and fruit or making plant foods. Many jobs have changed before, and people have adapted.

Ask a question back

"If a sector causes harm, is the solution to keep it forever or to help those who work in it to change?"

Como pode aparecer

"What about the farmers?"
Everyday conversation
"You want to put millions out of work."
Everyday conversation
"My town lives off the meat plant."
Everyday conversation
"Vegans want to destroy rural communities."
Social media
"The meat supply chain generates millions of direct and indirect jobs."
Technical version
"Agriculture is the backbone of the economy." (which is J4)
Disguised version

The strongest version

How it is said

"What about the farmers? You want to put millions out of work."

Strongest version (steelman):

  1. P1Millions of people depend on livestock farming and the meat industry.
  2. P2Ending or shrinking that industry would cause unemployment and poverty.
  3. P3Causing mass unemployment is a serious harm.
  4. CSo veganism is harmful to society.

P1 and P3 are true. P2 is true if the change were sudden and unplanned. The problem lies in the conclusion: change is gradual, and the argument would serve to block any reform.

The argument is valid. Its soundness fails because it assumes an abrupt transition with no alternatives.

Full answer

  1. a

    Reconstruction and diagnosis

    The argument imagines an abrupt change with no alternatives:

    How the argument imagines itHow transitions usually happen
    Everyone stops eating meat at onceConsumption changes gradually
    Jobs disappear with no replacementNew sectors grow with new demand
    No one helps the workersJust transition policies can support those who depend on the sector
  2. b

    Where the argument breaks

    1. The argument works against any reform.

    It was used against abolition, against child labor laws, against banning asbestos. If it held, no harmful activity could ever be changed.

    2. Change is gradual.

    Consumption shifts over years and decades, which allows adaptation.

    3. New jobs appear.

    Demand for legumes, fruit, vegetables, plant proteins and other foods creates work in farming and industry.

    4. Slaughterhouse work is dangerous.

    Meat and poultry workers face high rates of repetitive strain injuries, accidents with knives and machinery, and exposure to cold and to animal suffering.

    5. Just transitions can be planned.

    Public policy can support retraining, credit and alternatives for dependent regions.

  3. c

    Data and sources

    SourceWhat it saysNote
    US Government Accountability Office, GAO-16-337 (2016)Meat and poultry workers continue to face hazardous conditions, and injuries are likely underreportedA report to the US Congress
    Repórter Brasil and SOMO, *Fábrica de acidentes* (2024) (in Portuguese)Workers in Brazil's meat plants have high rates of injury and illnessThey suffer four times more accidents than the national average
    ILO, *Guidelines for a just transition* (2015)Principles for supporting workers in declining sectorsAdopted by the ILO Governing Body
  4. d

    The strongest counter-reply: rural communities would be hit hardest

    The most serious version points out that entire rural regions depend on livestock farming, and the transition could concentrate losses in vulnerable communities.

  5. e

    Why the counter-reply doesn't reach the conclusion

    That calls for transition policies.

    Not for keeping the sector indefinitely.

    The same land can produce other foods.

    Or be restored with public support (H4).

    Concern for jobs doesn't justify the harm to animals.

    Even if it justifies care in the transition.

  6. f

    Back to the moral question

    The jobs argument is about real people, and they deserve support. But it doesn't answer whether it's fair to raise and kill animals. If it isn't, the question becomes how to make the transition fairly, not whether it should happen.

Reasoning errors

Logical

Is the form valid?

Proving too much
The argument would block any reform

Epistemological

Does the evidence support it?

Unrealistic scenario
Assumes an abrupt change

Moral

Is the criterion coherent?

Economic interest as justification
Jobs outweigh the harm

Biases

Status quo bias

The current economy seems the only one possible

Samuelson and Zeckhauser, 1988

System justification

The sector seems essential and untouchable

Linked to J4

Extrapolations

The principle being tested is: "if an activity creates jobs, it shouldn't be changed".

If it applied to…AsbestosTap to see

It shouldn't have been banned

Banned in the EU and many other countries

If it applied to…Child laborTap to see

It shouldn't have been banned, because it brought in income

No one accepts this

If it applied to…Wildlife traffickingTap to see

It shouldn't be fought, because it brings in income

No one accepts this

Contradictions

Supports ending other harmful activities.

Even when they created jobs.

Doesn't worry about slaughterhouse workers.

Only about their jobs.

Accepts technological change that eliminates jobs.

In other sectors.

What the argument gets right

What is true

Jobs in the meat supply chain are real, and many families and towns depend on them. Ignoring this would be unfair and politically naive. A transition to more plant-based food systems needs to include workers and rural communities.

But

But the need for a just transition isn't a reason to keep the system. It's a reason to plan the change carefully.

Connections

Usually comes before

J3this argument

Usually comes after

J4 Agriculture is the backbone of the economy.Agriculture holds the country up

Go deeper in Questão de Ética

Chapters from the open-access collection A Journey Through Animal Ethics that discuss this argument in more detail:

References