For the Animals
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"Hitler was a vegetarian."

The answer in one sentence

it's the reductio ad Hitlerum: trying to discredit an idea by associating it with a hated figure. Even if Hitler had been vegetarian, that would say nothing about veganism, just as his not smoking doesn't make cigarettes good. And the historical question is disputed: there are accounts of him eating meat at various times, and historians debate whether "vegetarian" accurately describes his diet.

Short answer

Even if Hitler had been vegetarian, that would say nothing about veganism, just as his not smoking doesn't make cigarettes good. It's the so-called reductio ad Hitlerum: associating an idea with a hated figure to avoid discussing it. And the historical question is disputed: there are accounts of him eating meat at various times. What matters is whether the arguments about the animals are good.

For children

Some very bad people did ordinary things, like drinking water or liking dogs. That doesn't make those things bad. What matters is whether an idea is right, not who else thought something similar. Hurting animals without needing to doesn't become right just because a bad person also didn't eat meat.

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Como pode aparecer

"Hitler was a vegetarian."
Everyday conversation
"Hitler loved animals."
Everyday conversation
"The Nazis passed animal protection laws."
Everyday conversation
"Guess who else was a vegetarian?"
Social media
"Nazi animal protection shows the dark side of the cause."
Academic version
"Veganism is a cult, a religion." (which is L2)
Disguised version

The strongest version

How it is said

"Hitler loved animals. The Nazis passed animal protection laws."

Strongest version (steelman):

  1. P1Hitler and the Nazi regime expressed concern for animals.
  2. P2That same regime committed terrible crimes against humans.
  3. P3So concern for animals can coexist with contempt for humans, and isn't a sign of virtue.
  4. CSo veganism has no moral superiority.

P1 and P2 have a historical basis, with debates. P3 is a reasonable observation: concern for animals doesn't guarantee virtue. The problem is that none of this says whether it's right to eat animals.

The argument is valid to show that no one is good just for caring about animals. It fails as an objection to veganism.

Full answer

  1. a

    Reconstruction and diagnosis

    The argument tries to transfer a person's reputation to an idea:

    What the argument doesWhy it doesn't work
    Associates veganism with HitlerAn idea doesn't inherit the character of those who practice it
    Uses disputed historical informationEven if true, it would be irrelevant
    Suggests concern for animals is suspectMany animal advocates have also been human rights advocates
  2. b

    Where the argument breaks

    1. It's the reductio ad Hitlerum.

    Associating an idea with a hated figure doesn't show it's wrong.

    2. It's guilt by association.

    An idea doesn't become wrong because of who practices it (J7).

    3. The historical question is disputed.

    There are accounts of Hitler eating meat at different times, and historians debate whether "vegetarian" accurately describes his diet.

    4. The Nazi regime used animals in experiments.

    Its supposed concern for animals was selective and instrumental.

    5. Concern for animals doesn't require contempt for humans.

    A small neuroimaging study even suggested the opposite, that vegans and vegetarians react more strongly to human suffering; it's modest evidence, but nothing links concern for animals to contempt for people (L6).

  3. c

    Data and sources

    SourceWhat it saysNote
    Berry, *Hitler: Neither Vegetarian Nor Animal Lover* (2004)Argues that Hitler wasn't vegetarian in the strict sensePythagorean Publishers; the subject is debated by historians
    Filippi et al., 2010, *PLoS ONE*Vegetarians and vegans showed greater activation of empathy-related areas when viewing scenes of human sufferingA neuroimaging study with 60 participants
  4. d

    The strongest counter-reply: concern for animals can be misanthropic

    The most serious version says that in some cases concern for animals goes hand in hand with contempt for humans, and that the Nazi example shows this risk.

  5. e

    Why the counter-reply doesn't reach the conclusion

    Any value can be distorted.

    That doesn't make the value wrong.

    Most animal advocates also defend humans.

    And empathy isn't zero-sum (L6).

    The question about the animals remains.

    No historical figure answers it.

  6. f

    Back to the moral question

    Associating veganism with Hitler is a way of avoiding the conversation. The moral question is the same, whoever ate or didn't eat meat: is it fair to make animals suffer and die when we don't need to?

Reasoning errors

Logical

Is the form valid?

Reductio ad Hitlerum
Associates the idea with a hated figure
Guilt by association
Judges the idea by who practiced it

Epistemological

Does the evidence support it?

Disputed historical claim
Presents as fact something that is debated

Biases

Do-gooder derogation

Associating vegans with the worst eases discomfort

Minson and Monin, 2012

Affect heuristic

The emotion tied to Hitler contaminates the idea

General literature on the affect heuristic

Messenger effect

The diet attributed to Hitler would taint the idea

Questão de Ética, vol. X, ch. 6

Extrapolations

The principle being tested is: "if a hated figure practiced something, that practice is bad".

If it applied to…Not smokingTap to see

It would be bad, because Hitler didn't smoke

Absurd

If it applied to…Liking dogsTap to see

It would be suspect, because Hitler had dogs

Absurd

If it applied to…Building highwaysTap to see

It would be bad, because the Nazis built motorways

Absurd

Contradictions

Doesn't use the argument for other habits.

Hitler didn't smoke either, and no one defends cigarettes for that reason.

Accepts today's animal protection laws.

Which exist in almost every country.

Likes pets.

Like many people, including Hitler.

What the argument gets right

What is true

It's true that concern for animals doesn't make anyone virtuous, and that violent regimes have used animal protection rhetoric selectively. No one should assume that someone who cares for animals is automatically good.

But

But that says nothing about whether it's right to eat animals. The question needs to be answered with arguments, not associations.

Connections

Usually comes before

L11 Vegan activists are radicals and extremists.Associates veganism with hated figures
L3this argument

Usually comes after

L6 Vegans care more about animals than people.Supposed misanthropy becomes an accusation

References