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"Veganism is a cult, a religion."

The answer in one sentence

labeling a position a "cult" is a way of not assessing it. Veganism rests on public arguments that anyone can examine: animals feel, we can live without killing them, and causing unnecessary suffering is wrong. A religion asks for faith; veganism asks us to look at the facts and at the consistency of our own values.

Short answer

Calling it a cult is a way of not discussing it. A religion asks for faith; veganism rests on claims that can be checked: animals feel, well-planned vegan diets are adequate, and causing unnecessary suffering is wrong, which almost everyone already accepts. Defending a position with conviction doesn't make it religious. If it did, any cause defended with passion would be a cult.

For children

A religion asks people to believe in things you can't see. Veganism is different: it talks about things you can check, like "animals feel pain" and "you can live well without eating meat". Anyone can think about this and reach their own conclusion.

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"Which part of the argument depends on faith rather than facts and reasons?"

Como pode aparecer

"You preach like fanatics."
Everyday conversation
"That's indoctrination."
Everyday conversation
"Veganism is a religion."
Everyday conversation
"The vegan cult wants to convert everyone."
Social media
"Veganism functions as a secular religion."
Academic version
"Veganism is a political ideology or a globalist agenda." (which is J7)
Disguised version

The strongest version

How it is said

"You preach like fanatics. That's indoctrination."

Strongest version (steelman):

  1. P1Some vegans speak of veganism with fervor, rituals and group identity similar to religious ones.
  2. P2Religious beliefs can't be imposed on those who don't share them.
  3. P3Veganism is a belief of that kind.
  4. CSo vegans shouldn't try to persuade others.

P1 may be true in some cases. The problem lies in P3: veganism doesn't depend on faith, but on facts and arguments everyone can assess.

The argument is valid. Its soundness fails at P3.

Full answer

  1. a

    Reconstruction and diagnosis

    The argument labels instead of assessing:

    Feature of a religionDoes veganism have it?
    Belief in entities or revealed truthsNo
    Sacred authorityNo
    Verifiable claimsYes: animal sentience, nutritional adequacy
    A widely accepted moral principleYes: don't cause unnecessary suffering
  2. b

    Where the argument breaks

    1. Labeling isn't refuting.

    Calling a position a cult doesn't show it's wrong.

    2. Veganism rests on public arguments.

    Animal sentience (A5), nutritional adequacy (G1) and the principle of not causing unnecessary suffering can be assessed by anyone.

    3. Conviction isn't fanaticism.

    Firmly defending a moral position is common in many causes.

    4. Eating meat also involves beliefs.

    They're simply invisible because they're dominant (E9).

    5. Vegans are diverse.

    There are religious vegans and atheist vegans, from many cultures and political positions.

  3. c

    Data and sources

    SourceWhat it saysNote
    The New York Declaration on Animal Consciousness (2024)Strong scientific support for consciousness in mammals and birdsShows the basis of veganism is verifiable
    Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, 2016Well-planned vegan diets are adequateAn empirical basis, not a basis in faith
  4. d

    The strongest counter-reply: the group behavior is religious

    The most serious version grants that veganism's reasons are public, but says the social behavior of many vegans resembles that of religious groups: strong identity, their own language, exclusion of those who don't follow.

  5. e

    Why the counter-reply doesn't reach the conclusion

    Every group has social dynamics.

    Sports fans, parties and professions do too.

    Group behavior doesn't change the reasons.

    The question is still about the animals.

    It's a collective ad hominem.

    It judges the idea by its followers.

  6. f

    Back to the moral question

    The cult label avoids the question. But the question doesn't require faith: animals feel, and we can live without killing them. What justifies carrying on?

Reasoning errors

Logical

Is the form valid?

Labeling
Classifies in order not to assess
False analogy
Compares moral conviction with religious faith

Epistemological

Does the evidence support it?

Ignoring the empirical basis
Disregards the facts veganism rests on

Biases

Do-gooder derogation

Discrediting those who act morally eases discomfort

Minson and Monin, 2012

Group identity

Veganism is seen as "the other group"

General literature on identity-protective cognition

Naive realism and the bias blind spot

Those who disagree seem fanatical rather than people with other reasons

Questão de Ética, vol. X, ch. 4

Extrapolations

The principle being tested is: "if a position is defended with conviction, it's religious".

If it applied to…The anti-smoking movementTap to see

It would be a cult

Absurd

If it applied to…Defending human rightsTap to see

It would be a religion

Absurd

If it applied to…VeganismTap to see

It would be a cult

The same error

Contradictions

Has strong moral convictions.

And doesn't consider them a religion.

Champions other causes with passion.

Without thinking it's fanaticism.

Follows cultural food norms.

Which are also shared beliefs.

What the argument gets right

What is true

It's true that some vegans speak with fervor and that groups with a strong identity can become closed. It's also true that no one likes to feel indoctrinated, and that respectful communication works better.

But

But veganism doesn't ask for faith. It asks us to look at facts and at the consistency of our own values, something anyone can do.