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"You also kill mosquitoes and rats at home."

The answer in one sentence

self-defense and real conflict are different from raising animals to eat. A mosquito that transmits dengue or malaria, or a rat that contaminates food, poses a concrete threat; a pig in a shed threatens no one. Even in cases of conflict, animal ethics asks us to prefer non-lethal methods when possible. And if killing mosquitoes were inconsistent, that would be a problem for whoever kills mosquitoes, not a justification for raising and slaughtering billions of animals.

Short answer

Protecting yourself from a mosquito that carries disease, or from rats that contaminate food, is self-defense against a real threat. Raising an animal to eat isn't: they threaten no one. Even in these cases of conflict, animal ethics asks us to use non-lethal methods when possible, such as screens, repellents and sealing gaps. And if someone were inconsistent about mosquitoes, that wouldn't make it acceptable to raise and slaughter billions of animals.

For children

If a mosquito can give you a disease, keeping it away is protecting yourself. That's different from raising a little pig in a cramped place just to eat it later. In one case, we defend ourselves; in the other, we make the animal be born to die. And when we can, the best thing is to keep the critters away without killing them.

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"Was the pig who became bacon threatening anyone?"

Como pode aparecer

"You also kill mosquitoes and rats at home."
Everyday conversation
"You use insect repellent."
Everyday conversation
"If there's a cockroach, you kill it."
Everyday conversation
"A vegan who uses rat poison is a hypocrite."
Social media
"Accepting pest control shows vegans aren't consistent."
Academic version
"You use a phone, so you're a hypocrite." (which is L4)
Disguised version

The strongest version

How it is said

"You use insect repellent. If there's a cockroach, you kill it. So you can't say anything."

Strongest version (steelman):

  1. P1Vegans also kill animals, such as mosquitoes, cockroaches and rats, when they cause problems.
  2. P2This shows they accept killing animals for human interests.
  3. P3Eating meat also serves a human interest.
  4. CSo vegans can't condemn meat eaters without being inconsistent.

P1 is true in many cases. The problem lies in P2 and P3: the interest in not catching a disease or not having one's home contaminated is very different from the interest in a flavor.

The argument is valid. Its soundness fails at P3, which equates interests of very different weights.

Full answer

  1. a

    Reconstruction and diagnosis

    The argument equates very different situations:

    SituationIs there a threat?AlternativesKind of harm
    Disease-carrying mosquitoYes, to healthScreens, repellents, removing breeding sitesDefense
    Rats in the houseYes, to health and foodSealing gaps, live-catch trapsDefense
    Pig raised for slaughterNoMany: other foodsExploitation
  2. b

    Where the argument breaks

    1. Self-defense is a recognized exception.

    Every ethics accepts defense against real threats, including between humans. That doesn't make it acceptable to harm those who threaten no one.

    2. The interests have different weights.

    Avoiding dengue or contamination is a serious interest; the taste of meat is a lesser interest that can be met in other ways (J11).

    3. Animal ethics asks for non-lethal methods.

    Prevention, screens, repellents and sealing gaps are preferable to killing. Animal advocates tend to use these methods.

    4. Inconsistency doesn't change what's right.

    If someone kills mosquitoes without need, that's their problem, not permission for everyone to cause more harm. This is the tu quoque fallacy.

    5. The logic is different.

    Raising animals for food brings billions of animals into existence every year precisely so they can die. Pest control at home responds to a concrete threat that already exists, and even so should prefer prevention and non-lethal methods.

  3. c

    Data and sources

    SourceWhat it saysNote
    Our World in Data, animals slaughteredBillions of animals are slaughtered every year for foodShows the difference in scale
    The Vegan Society, definition of veganismVeganism seeks to exclude exploitation "as far as is possible and practicable"Defense against a real threat isn't exploitation
  4. d

    The strongest counter-reply: comfort is also an interest

    The most serious version says vegans often kill cockroaches or mosquitoes not because of a real threat, but because they're a nuisance, and that this would be an interest as trivial as taste.

  5. e

    Why the counter-reply doesn't reach the conclusion

    If it's because of a nuisance, it's wrong too.

    The criticism hits the behavior, not the principle.

    It doesn't justify meat.

    That someone kills a cockroach because it's a nuisance doesn't make raising billions of animals acceptable.

    Consistency points toward more care.

    The right conclusion is to treat all animals better, not worse.

Reasoning errors

Logical

Is the form valid?

Tu quoque
Accuses the other instead of answering
False analogy
Equates defense against a threat with raising animals to eat

Moral

Is the criterion coherent?

Interests of different weights treated as equal
Health and taste treated as equivalent

Biases

Hypocrisy hunting

Finding inconsistency in others eases one's own

Linked to L4

Motivated reasoning

The comparison serves to excuse change

General literature on motivated cognition

Extrapolations

The principle being tested is: "if I kill an animal who threatens me, I may kill animals who don't threaten me".

If it applied to…Self-defense between humansTap to see

Whoever defended themselves could attack others

No one accepts this

If it applied to…Aggressive dogsTap to see

If one dog attacks, all dogs could be killed

No one accepts this

If it applied to…Wild animalsTap to see

If one snake is a threat, all snakes could be hunted

Contrary to wildlife protection laws

Contradictions

Distinguishes self-defense from aggression between humans.

And doesn't apply that here.

Doesn't think someone who uses repellent may raise animals to kill.

The comparison doesn't convince even the person making it.

Prefers non-lethal methods when it's easy.

Many people shoo insects away instead of killing them.

What the argument gets right

What is true

The argument points to a real issue: conflicts with animals exist, and killing pests also involves beings who may feel. Animal advocates shouldn't pretend this is irrelevant, and should prefer non-lethal methods whenever possible.

But

But self-defense against a real threat is different from raising animals to eat. The first case is a hard conflict; the second is a choice that can be avoided.

Connections

Usually comes before

F9this argument

Usually comes after

H2 Harvests kill animals; vegans kill too.Recalls the animals killed in harvests

References