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D10

"Great thinkers ate meat."

The answer in one sentence

someone's greatness in one field doesn't make all their practices right. Many great thinkers also defended hierarchies among humans that we now reject: Aristotle defended natural slavery. And the list cuts both ways: Pythagoras, Plutarch and Leonardo da Vinci are remembered as critics of eating meat. An authority only counts as an argument when it offers reasons, not by name alone.

Short answer

Great thinkers also got the customs of their time wrong: Aristotle argued that some humans were slaves by nature. So what they did doesn't prove it was right. Besides, the list cuts both ways: Pythagoras, Plutarch and Leonardo da Vinci are remembered for criticizing the eating of meat. What matters isn't who ate what, but what reasons each one gave.

For children

Very smart people make mistakes too. Some great thinkers of the past thought it was right for some people to be enslaved. They were very smart about many things, but they were wrong about that. Being smart doesn't mean everything a person does is right.

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"Aristotle also defended slavery. Does that make slavery right?"

Como pode aparecer

"Aristotle ate meat."
Everyday conversation
"Einstein wasn't vegan."
Everyday conversation
"Do you think you're smarter than them?"
Everyday conversation
"Every genius in history ate meat."
Social media
"The philosophical tradition, for the most part, didn't condemn eating animals."
Academic version
"Even philosophers don't agree." (which is E11)
Disguised version

The strongest version

How it is said

"Aristotle ate meat. Einstein wasn't vegan. Do you think you're smarter than them?"

Strongest version (steelman):

  1. P1Many of history's greatest thinkers ate meat.
  2. P2These thinkers reflected deeply on ethics.
  3. P3If eating meat were clearly wrong, they would have noticed.
  4. CSo eating meat is probably not wrong.

P1 and P2 are true. The problem lies in P3: these same thinkers missed many injustices we now consider obvious.

The argument is valid. Its soundness fails at P3, which assumes great minds don't get the customs of their time wrong.

Full answer

  1. a

    Reconstruction and diagnosis

    The argument uses prestige in place of reasons:

    Legitimate use of authorityFallacious use
    Citing the reasons a thinker gaveCiting only the name or the habit
    Consulting experts in the field in questionTreating general prestige as proof on any subject
    Considering the current consensus of expertsUsing practices from centuries ago as the standard
  2. b

    Where the argument breaks

    1. It's an appeal to authority.

    Someone's intellectual greatness doesn't make all their practices right. A brilliant physicist isn't an authority on ethics.

    2. Great thinkers got a lot wrong.

    Aristotle defended natural slavery and the inferiority of women (C9). Kant held that we have only indirect duties toward animals. Many thinkers accepted the hierarchies of their time.

    3. The list cuts both ways.

    Pythagoras and Plutarch criticized eating meat in antiquity, and Leonardo da Vinci is often remembered as a vegetarian. If the argument held, they would count too.

    4. Habit isn't an argument.

    What a thinker ate isn't part of their philosophy. More relevant would be the reasons they gave, and many never addressed the subject.

    5. Today's ethics has arguments they didn't know.

    Philosophy about animals has developed a great deal since the 1970s, and the science of animal sentience even more (E11).

  3. c

    Data and sources

    SourceWhat it saysNote
    Aristotle, *Politics*, book IArgues that some humans are slaves by natureFull text on Project Gutenberg; also used in C9
    Plutarch, *On the Eating of Flesh*An ancient critique of eating meatFull text in English (Loeb), on LacusCurtius
    PhilPapers Survey 2020About 26% of philosophers accept or lean toward vegetarianism as an ethical position, and about 18% toward veganismThe question asks what is permissible to eat, not what each person eats; it shows that, among philosophers, the question is far from settled in favor of meat
  4. d

    The strongest counter-reply: the weight of the philosophical tradition

    The most serious version doesn't cite habits but the tradition: most Western philosophy, from Aristotle to Kant, placed humans above animals, and that should count as evidence.

  5. e

    Why the counter-reply doesn't reach the conclusion

    The same tradition excluded many humans.

    The classical philosophers' moral circle was narrow among humans too.

    Tradition isn't an argument.

    What matters are the reasons, and they're examined in the chapters of family A.

    The tradition is changing.

    A considerable share of today's philosophers accept or lean toward vegetarianism or veganism.

Reasoning errors

Logical

Is the form valid?

Appeal to authority
The name replaces the reasons
Convenient selection
Cites thinkers who ate meat and omits those who didn't

Epistemological

Does the evidence support it?

Anachronism
Uses practices from centuries ago as today's standard

Moral

Is the criterion coherent?

Outsourcing judgment
Leaves the moral decision to others

Biases

Authority bias

A prestigious person's opinion seems like proof

General literature on heuristics

Confirmation bias

Seeks only the authorities who confirm the habit

General literature on confirmation bias

Extrapolations

The principle being tested is: "if great thinkers did something, it isn't wrong".

If it applied to…SlaveryTap to see

It would be acceptable, because Aristotle defended it

No one accepts this

If it applied to…Excluding womenTap to see

It would be acceptable, because many philosophers defended it

No one accepts this

If it applied to…VegetarianismTap to see

It would also be right, because Pythagoras and Plutarch defended it

The argument cancels itself out

Contradictions

Doesn't follow these thinkers on other topics.

No one defends slavery because Aristotle did.

Doesn't cite the thinkers who criticized meat.

The selection reveals the real criterion.

Disagrees with great thinkers on many subjects.

Prestige decides nothing in those cases.

What the argument gets right

What is true

Great thinkers deserve to be heard, and it's reasonable to hesitate before concluding that all of them were wrong about something. The philosophical tradition has a lot to teach.

But

But listening to great thinkers means examining their reasons, not copying their habits. They themselves taught us to question customs, including the ones they followed.

Connections

Usually comes before

D5 Jesus ate fish.Moves on to other authorities
D10this argument

Usually comes after

E11 Even philosophers don't agree.Says even philosophers don't agree
D1 We've always done it.Authority turns into tradition
A2 Humans are superior, so we can use the inferior.Cites the philosophers who defended human superiority

Go deeper in Questão de Ética

Chapters from the open-access collection A Journey Through Animal Ethics that discuss this argument in more detail:

References

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