For the Animals
An Argument Guide
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"I'll eat double to make up for you."

The answer in one sentence

it isn't an argument; it's an emotional reaction. Psychology calls it reactance: when people feel their freedom is threatened, they tend to do the opposite of what's asked. The phrase says nothing about the animals; it says something about the discomfort of whoever says it. And the one who pays the "make-up" isn't the vegan, it's the animal.

Short answer

That isn't an argument; it's a provocation. Psychology calls it reactance: when we feel our freedom is threatened, we tend to do the opposite. But the one who pays the "make-up" isn't me; it's the animals. If the goal is to annoy me, there are ways that don't involve anyone's death. And whenever you want to talk about the animals for real, I'm here.

For children

Sometimes, when someone tells us not to do something, we feel like doing it even more, just to provoke them. But in this case, the one who gets hurt isn't the person who asked, it's the animals. Provoking doesn't change what's right.

Ask a question back

"If it weren't to provoke me, what do you think of what happens to the animals?"

Como pode aparecer

"I'll eat double to make up for you."
Everyday conversation
"I'll eat some bacon in your honor."
Everyday conversation
"For every vegan, one more steak."
Everyday conversation
"I ate three burgers just to annoy the vegans."
Social media
"Vegans are annoying and think they are better." (which is L1)
Disguised version

The strongest version

How it is said

"I'll eat some bacon in your honor. For every vegan, one more steak."

Strongest version (steelman):

There's no strong version. The phrase is a provocation, not an argument. It can express:

  1. Irritationat feeling judged.
  2. Defenseof one's freedom of choice.
  3. Humorto ease an uncomfortable conversation.

None of these readings offers a reason to eat animals.

Full answer

  1. a

    Reconstruction and diagnosis

    The phrase has no argumentative structure:

    What the phrase expressesWhat it says about the animals
    IrritationNothing
    Defense of freedomNothing
    HumorNothing
  2. b

    Where the argument breaks

    1. It isn't an argument.

    There are no premises or conclusion about the moral question.

    2. It's reactance.

    Feeling one's freedom threatened produces a tendency to do the opposite of what's suggested.

    3. The victim is the animal.

    The provocation is aimed at the vegan, but the harm falls on the animals.

    4. It reveals discomfort.

    Feeling the need to "make up" for it shows the question bothered the person, which is a starting point for conversation.

    5. Do-gooder derogation explains part of the reaction.

    Those who feel judged tend to react against the group that seems to judge them (L1).

  3. c

    Data and sources

    SourceWhat it saysNote
    Minson and Monin, 2012Meat eaters disparage vegetarians when they anticipate being judged by themHelps explain the reaction
    Brehm, theory of psychological reactance (1966)Threats to freedom produce a motivation to restore it, often by doing the oppositeAcademic Press; the link is to an open-access review by Steindl and colleagues (2015)
  4. d

    The strongest counter-reply: it's just a joke

    The most serious version says the phrase is only humor, with no real intention to eat more meat, and that taking it seriously shows a lack of humor.

  5. e

    Why the counter-reply doesn't reach the conclusion

    If it's a joke, it isn't an argument.

    And the moral question is still unanswered.

    Humor can close the conversation.

    Often, that's exactly what it's used for.

    The joke has a real target.

    The animals.

  6. f

    Back to the moral question

    The provocation is a way of not talking. But the question remains: setting aside irritation with vegans, is it fair to make animals suffer and die when we don't need to?

Reasoning errors

Logical

Is the form valid?

Absence of argument
Provocation in place of reason

Moral

Is the criterion coherent?

Harm to third parties as a response
The animal pays for the irritation with the vegan
Reactance
Freedom becomes a reason to do the opposite

Biases

Psychological reactance

Feeling one's freedom threatened produces the opposite behavior

General literature on reactance

Do-gooder derogation

Irritation with those who act morally

Minson and Monin, 2012

Extrapolations

The principle being tested is: "if someone asks me not to do something, I may do more of it to provoke them".

If it applied to…EnvironmentalistsTap to see

Polluting more to provoke them would be acceptable

No one seriously defends this

If it applied to…Anti-smoking activistsTap to see

Smoking more to provoke them

Harms oneself

If it applied to…VegansTap to see

Eating more meat to provoke them

Harms the animals

Contradictions

Says the choice is personal.

And makes it a response to someone else.

Wouldn't eat more meat to annoy other groups.

Only vegans.

Reveals the question bothers them.

By feeling the need to make up for it.

What the argument gets right

What is true

The phrase reveals something real: many people feel pressured or judged when the subject is meat, and react with humor or provocation. Animal advocates should understand this reaction and avoid feeding it.

But

But provocation isn't an answer. And when the irritation passes, the question about the animals is still there, waiting.

Connections

Usually comes before

L9this argument

Usually comes after

E1 It's my personal choice; don't impose your morals.The provocation becomes a defense of freedom
J11 Meat tastes good.The provocation reveals the pleasure

References