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"Ultra-processed vegan foods are worse than meat."

The answer in one sentence

it's a false dichotomy. Veganism doesn't require ultra-processed food: rice, beans, lentils, vegetables, fruit and grains are vegan, and they're the basis of the Dietary Guidelines for the Brazilian Population, an international reference precisely because it recommends real food. And many processed meats, such as sausages, nuggets and other cured or reconstituted meats, are also ultra-processed, and processed meat is classified as carcinogenic by the WHO.

Short answer

Veganism doesn't require ultra-processed food. Rice, beans, lentils, vegetables, fruit and grains are vegan, and they're exactly the basis that Brazil's dietary guidelines, often cited worldwide, recommend. Plant-based burgers are optional, useful for the transition or for variety. And many processed meats, such as sausages, nuggets and other reconstituted meats, are also ultra-processed, and processed meat is classified as carcinogenic. The fair comparison is real food against real food.

For children

Real food is food that comes from nature with few changes: rice, beans, fruit, vegetables. Almost all of it is vegan! Some store products, like sausages and nuggets, have lots of factory ingredients, and that goes for both the meat ones and the vegan ones.

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"Are rice, beans and salad ultra-processed?"

Como pode aparecer

"Vegan meat is full of chemicals."
Everyday conversation
"I prefer real food."
Everyday conversation
"Look at the ingredient list on that vegan burger."
Everyday conversation
"Vegans eat processed plastic and think they're healthy."
Social media
"Meat analogues are ultra-processed."
Technical version
"If vegans eat fake meat, they want meat." (which is L8)
Disguised version

The strongest version

How it is said

"Vegan meat is full of chemicals. I prefer real food."

Strongest version (steelman):

  1. P1Ultra-processed foods are linked to worse health outcomes.
  2. P2Many vegan products, such as plant-based burgers and cheeses, are ultra-processed.
  3. P3A piece of meat is an unprocessed or minimally processed food.
  4. CSo eating meat is healthier than eating vegan products.

P1 is true. So is P2. P3 is true for some cuts, but not for processed meat. The problem lies in the conclusion: it compares meat with the worst vegan products and ignores most of the vegan diet, which is made up of unprocessed foods.

The argument is valid for the comparison it makes. It fails because it's a false dichotomy.

Full answer

  1. a

    Reconstruction and diagnosis

    The argument compares different categories:

    CategoryWith meatVegan
    Unprocessed or minimally processedCuts of meat, eggs, milkRice, beans, lentils, vegetables, fruit, grains, nuts
    ProcessedCheeses, cured meatsTofu, breads, canned foods
    Ultra-processedSausages, nuggets, bologna and other reconstituted meatsIndustrial plant-based burgers and cheeses

    The fair comparison is within the same category.

  2. b

    Where the argument breaks

    1. It's a false dichotomy.

    The choice isn't between meat and a plant-based burger. Most of a healthy vegan diet is made up of unprocessed foods.

    2. A leading dietary guideline itself favors a plant diet.

    The 2014 Dietary Guidelines for the Brazilian Population, which popularized the "ultra-processed" category, recommends basing one's diet on unprocessed and minimally processed foods, in great variety and mainly of plant origin.

    3. Many meats are also ultra-processed.

    Sausages, nuggets and other reconstituted meats are ultra-processed, and the WHO's cancer agency classifies processed meat, which also includes cured and smoked meats, as carcinogenic.

    4. Ultra-processed vegan products are optional.

    They can help with the transition and with convenience, but no one needs them. It's like saying eating meat requires eating sausages.

    5. "Chemicals" isn't a criterion.

    Everything is chemistry, including meat. What matters is nutritional composition and the degree of processing.

  3. c

    Data and sources

    SourceWhat it saysNote
    Brazil's Ministry of Health, *Dietary Guidelines for the Brazilian Population* (2014, in Portuguese; an English edition was published in 2015)Recommends basing one's diet on unprocessed or minimally processed foods, in great variety and mainly of plant origin; avoiding ultra-processed foodsAn international reference
    IARC, press release no. 240 (2015)Processed meat is carcinogenicShows that meat is also among the problematic ultra-processed foods
  4. d

    The strongest counter-reply: in practice, vegans eat a lot of ultra-processed food

    The most serious version grants that a vegan diet can be made of real food, but says that in practice many vegans depend on industrial products.

  5. e

    Why the counter-reply doesn't reach the conclusion

    Meat eaters also eat a lot of ultra-processed food.

    Consumption of ultra-processed food is high on every diet.

    The problem is ultra-processing, not veganism.

    The recommendation is the same for everyone: eat real food.

    Many traditional plates are already vegan at their base.

    Rice and beans, dal, lentil soups, salads and vegetables.

  6. f

    Back to the moral question

    Concern about ultra-processed food applies to every diet, and doesn't justify eating animals. If it's possible to eat real food without meat, the moral question returns: why choose the option that requires someone's death?

Reasoning errors

Logical

Is the form valid?

False dichotomy
Either meat or ultra-processed vegan food
Unequal comparison
Compares the best of meat with the worst of vegan food

Epistemological

Does the evidence support it?

Appeal to nature
"Chemicals" treated as synonymous with harmful

Biases

Confirmation bias

Sees ultra-processed food only on the vegan plate

General literature on confirmation bias

Naturalness bias

Meat seems "natural" even when processed

Linked to C1

Extrapolations

The principle being tested is: "if there are ultra-processed versions of a diet, the diet is worse".

If it applied to…Diets with meatTap to see

They'd be worse, because sausages and nuggets exist

No one concludes this

If it applied to…Diets with breadTap to see

They'd be worse, because ultra-processed bread exists

Homemade bread exists

If it applied to…Any dietTap to see

It would be worse

The criterion is processing, not the diet

Contradictions

Eats sausages, ham or nuggets.

Which are also ultra-processed.

Eats rice and beans.

Which are vegan and real food.

Uses the same criticism only against vegans.

Ultra-processed food with meat doesn't bother them.

What the argument gets right

What is true

Concern about ultra-processed food is legitimate, and many industrial vegan products aren't healthy. Real food is better than factory products, and veganism shouldn't be presented as a synonym for plant-based burgers.

But

But that concern applies to everyone. The best answer is to eat grains, beans, vegetables and fruit, a diet that in many cuisines is already traditional and almost vegan.

Connections

Usually comes before

G7 Soy causes female hormones and cancer.Attacks ultra-processed vegan foods
G14this argument

Usually comes after

J10 Vegan food is bland.Says vegan food is bland
L8 If vegans eat fake meat, they want meat.Says imitating meat is wanting meat
L13 Veganism is just a fad dietVeganism is reduced to store products

References