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"Veganism is opinion, not science."

The answer in one sentence

no moral position is "just science", including the position of eating meat. Science answers questions of fact, such as whether animals feel pain, and its answers support veganism: there is broad scientific support for vertebrate sentience and growing evidence for many invertebrates. Ethics answers questions of value, such as whether it's right to cause that pain without need. Both have methods, and neither is "just opinion".

Short answer

Science doesn't say what's right, and it doesn't say so about any moral position, including eating meat. But it answers the factual questions that matter: do animals feel pain? Yes, and in 2024 scientists from several fields signed a declaration recognizing strong support for consciousness in mammals and birds. The moral question is whether it's right to cause that pain without need. That's ethics, which isn't science, but isn't "just opinion" either.

For children

Science can find out whether a pig feels pain, and it already has: it does. But the question "is it right to hurt someone who feels pain?" is a different question. For that one, we use reason and ethics, which have their own rules too. And almost everyone agrees that hurting without need is wrong.

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"If everything that isn't science is just opinion, is saying slavery was wrong also just opinion?"

Como pode aparecer

"That's ideology, not fact."
Everyday conversation
"Science doesn't say eating meat is wrong."
Everyday conversation
"That's just your opinion."
Everyday conversation
"Show me the study that proves meat is immoral."
Social media
"Value judgments can't be verified empirically."
Academic version
"Morality is relative." (which is E2)
Disguised version

The strongest version

How it is said

"That's ideology, not fact. Science doesn't say eating meat is wrong."

Strongest version (steelman):

  1. P1Science describes facts; it doesn't tell us what we ought to do.
  2. P2Veganism is a claim about what we ought to do.
  3. P3What isn't science is just opinion.
  4. CSo veganism is just opinion.

P1 and P2 are true: science alone doesn't produce moral norms. The problem lies in P3: if what isn't science is just opinion, then it's also just opinion that eating meat is acceptable, that stealing is wrong and that slavery was unjust.

The argument is valid. Its soundness fails at P3, and the conclusion applies equally against the arguer's own position.

Full answer

  1. a

    Reconstruction and diagnosis

    The debate about eating animals involves two kinds of questions:

    QuestionTypeWhat the answer says
    Do animals feel pain?Fact: scienceYes, with strong support for mammals and birds and evidence for many others
    Is it possible to live well without eating animals?Fact: scienceYes, according to the main nutrition bodies
    Is it right to cause suffering without need?Value: ethicsAlmost every ethical theory says no

    Veganism combines the scientific answers with a widely accepted moral principle.

  2. b

    Where the argument breaks

    1. It cuts both ways.

    If ethics is just opinion, the claim that eating meat is acceptable is too. The argument favors no one.

    2. Ethics has methods.

    Consistency, generalization, analysis of arguments and testing principles against similar cases are methods of moral philosophy. They make it possible to tell better positions from worse ones.

    3. The relevant facts are scientific.

    The New York Declaration on Animal Consciousness (2024) states there is strong scientific support for attributing conscious experience to mammals and birds, and a realistic possibility for all vertebrates and many invertebrates.

    4. Almost everyone accepts the moral premise.

    "Causing unnecessary suffering is wrong" is accepted by almost all people and theories. Veganism just applies that principle consistently.

    5. Asking for "the study" confuses categories.

    There's no study proving slavery was immoral, and no one concludes that this is just opinion.

  3. c

    Data and sources

    SourceWhat it saysNote
    The New York Declaration on Animal Consciousness (2024)Strong scientific support for consciousness in mammals and birds; a realistic possibility in all vertebrates and many invertebratesSigned by hundreds of researchers
    Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, 2016Well-planned vegan diets are appropriate at all stages of lifeAnswers the factual question about need
  4. d

    The strongest counter-reply: science doesn't say how much animals weigh

    The most serious version grants the facts, but says science doesn't tell us how much animal suffering weighs against human interests, and that this weighing is subjective.

  5. e

    Why the counter-reply doesn't reach the conclusion

    The weighing doesn't need to be exact.

    It's enough to see that the pleasure of a flavor weighs less than an animal's life and suffering.

    Moral weighing isn't arbitrary.

    We use criteria such as severity of harm, necessity and alternatives, as in any other moral issue.

    The difficulty doesn't favor the status quo.

    If we don't know the exact weight, that's a reason for caution, not for continuing to cause the harm.

Reasoning errors

Logical

Is the form valid?

False dilemma
Either it's science or it's opinion
Selective application
Uses moral skepticism only against the other's position

Epistemological

Does the evidence support it?

Scientism
Assumes only science produces knowledge
Category confusion
Asks for empirical proof of a value claim

Biases

Motivated reasoning

Skepticism shows up only when it protects the habit

General literature on motivated cognition

Mind denial

Doubting the science about animals eases the discomfort

Bastian et al., 2012

Naive realism and the bias blind spot

One's own position seems factual; the other's, emotional

Questão de Ética, vol. X, ch. 4

Extrapolations

The principle being tested is: "what isn't science is just opinion".

If it applied to…Human rightsTap to see

They'd be opinion, since they aren't scientific facts

No one accepts this

If it applied to…Condemning racismTap to see

It would be opinion

No one accepts this

If it applied to…The claim that eating meat is acceptableTap to see

It would also be just opinion

The argument turns against whoever uses it

Contradictions

Makes moral judgments every day.

And doesn't consider them "just opinion".

Accepts the science of sentience when it comes to dogs.

No one asks for "the study" to condemn mistreating a dog.

Defends their own position as correct.

Which would be impossible if everything were just opinion.

What the argument gets right

What is true

The distinction between facts and values is real and important. Science doesn't settle moral questions on its own, and it's healthy to distrust anyone who presents opinions as if they were data. It's also true that there are scientific uncertainties about the sentience of some animals.

But

But ethics isn't no man's land. It has methods, and what it asks here is little: to apply to animals that science recognizes as sentient a principle almost everyone already accepts.

Connections

Usually comes before

A19 Vegans anthropomorphize animals.Says it's emotion, not science
E10this argument

Usually comes after

E11 Even philosophers don't agree.Says even philosophers don't agree
E2 Morality is relative.Concludes that morality is relative

Go deeper in Questão de Ética

Chapters from the open-access collection A Journey Through Animal Ethics that discuss this argument in more detail:

References