For the Animals
An Argument Guide
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"We naturally crave meat."

The answer in one sentence

the craving for meat exists, but it is largely learned and reinforced: by culture, by childhood, by salt, fat and seasoning. And even if it were entirely natural, a desire isn't a justification. We have many strong cravings that we don't follow when they would harm others.

Short answer

Wanting isn't needing. Much of the taste for meat is learned from childhood and reinforced by salt, fat and seasoning, which also make well-seasoned plant versions very tasty. And even if the desire were natural, desires don't justify causing harm: we have many strong cravings we don't follow when they would hurt someone.

For children

Sometimes we really want to eat candy. That doesn't mean the body needs candy: it means candy tastes good and we're used to it. Meat is similar. And even when the craving is strong, we can think about whether it hurts someone before doing it.

Ask a question back

"Is there any other strong craving you don't follow because it would harm someone?"

Como pode aparecer

"It's my body asking for it."
Everyday conversation
"The smell of a barbecue is irresistible for a reason."
Everyday conversation
"I tried, but my body craves meat."
Everyday conversation
"Every vegan smells bacon and caves."
Social media
"If it weren't natural, why would it taste so good?"
Rhetorical question
"Meat tastes good." (which is J11)
Disguised version

The strongest version

How it is said

"It's my body asking for it. The smell of a barbecue is irresistible for a reason."

Strongest version (steelman):

  1. P1Many people feel a strong, spontaneous craving to eat meat.
  2. P2Strong, spontaneous cravings point to the body's needs.
  3. P3Meeting the body's needs is legitimate.
  4. CSo eating meat is legitimate.

P1 is true. The problem lies in P2, which treats desire as need, and in P3, which assumes that satisfying the body never conflicts with the interests of others.

The argument is valid. Its soundness fails at P2 and P3.

Full answer

  1. a

    Reconstruction and diagnosis

    The argument mixes three things:

    ClaimStatus
    I crave meatTrue for many people
    That craving is a bodily needFalse: well-planned vegan diets are adequate
    So I may satisfy it even if someone else suffersDoesn't follow from anything above
  2. b

    Where the argument breaks

    1. Desire isn't need.

    The body needs nutrients, not specific foods. Protein, iron and other nutrients can be obtained without meat, according to the US Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics.

    2. Much of the taste is learned.

    Food preferences form through repeated exposure, especially in childhood, and change over time. Many people who stop eating meat report that the craving fades after a few weeks or months.

    3. Much of the appeal is flavor, not the animal.

    The smell of a barbecue comes largely from charred fat, salt, smoke and seasoning. Plant products prepared the same way aren't identical, but they trigger many of the same responses, which shows that much of the desire is for flavors and textures that don't depend on anyone's death.

    4. Desires don't justify harm.

    We have many strong cravings we don't follow when they would harm someone. That isn't denying nature; it's having ethics.

    5. The argument leads to J11.

    If the craving isn't a need, what's left is pleasure, and the eater's pleasure has to be weighed against what the animal loses.

  3. c

    Data and sources

    SourceWhat it saysNote
    Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, 2016Well-planned vegan diets are appropriate at all stages of lifeShows the craving doesn't correspond to a need
    Birch, *Development of food preferences* (1999)Repeated exposure, especially in childhood, shapes tasteAnnual Review of Nutrition; a review of repeated exposure and children's preferences
  4. d

    The strongest counter-reply: cravings are hard to overcome

    The most serious version doesn't say the craving justifies anything, but that it's real and strong, and that asking people to ignore it is asking too much. Ethics has to be realistic about what people can do.

  5. e

    Why the counter-reply doesn't reach the conclusion

    It shifts to difficulty, not justification.

    Being hard doesn't make it right (E6).

    The difficulty usually fades.

    With substitutes, seasoning and time, the craving tends to lose strength.

    Being realistic means helping people change, not excusing them from it.

    A realistic ethics offers paths, not excuses.

Reasoning errors

Logical

Is the form valid?

Appeal to nature
Takes desire as proof that something is good
Equivocation
Uses "the body asks for it" as if it meant "the body needs it"

Epistemological

Does the evidence support it?

Not knowing how taste forms
Treats a learned preference as a fixed instinct

Moral

Is the criterion coherent?

Desire as justification
The eater's pleasure outweighs the life of the one eaten

Biases

The 4Ns rationalization

"Natural" and "nice"

Piazza et al., 2015

Motivated reasoning

The desire is promoted to a need because that excuses change

General literature on motivated cognition

Extrapolations

The principle being tested is: "if I feel a strong craving, satisfying it is legitimate".

If it applied to…AngerTap to see

Attacking whoever annoys us would be legitimate

No one accepts this

If it applied to…Sexual desiresTap to see

Any desire would justify acting, even without consent

No one accepts this

If it applied to…A craving to eat the neighbor's dogTap to see

It would be legitimate, if strong enough

The principle doesn't depend on species

Contradictions

Controls other cravings.

No one follows every strong desire without thinking about the consequences.

Has changed tastes before.

Almost every adult has come to like foods they rejected as a child.

Would like the same seasoning on a plant food.

What attracts is the flavor, not the origin.

What the argument gets right

What is true

The craving for meat is real, and it's dishonest to pretend otherwise. For many people, meat is tied to memories, affection and pleasure, and changing takes effort. Recognizing that matters for helping people through the transition.

But

But recognizing the strength of a craving isn't accepting it as a justification. Taste can change, flavors can be recreated, and the animal's life can't.

Connections

Usually comes before

C1 It's natural to eat meat.The craving version
C5 Eating meat made us evolve.If the past doesn't decide, desire is invoked
C11this argument

Usually comes after

J11 Meat tastes good.The desire is presented as natural
G11 My body can't adapt.The craving becomes the body's inability

References