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"That's science fiction; we have real problems now"

The answer in one sentence

factory farming, with tens of billions of birds bred and killed every year, would also have seemed like science fiction a hundred years ago. An unlikely risk that could cause suffering on an immense scale can deserve attention even when it competes with certain, present problems. And much of what reduces these risks, such as teaching that all sentient beings matter, also helps animals now.

Short answer

Factory farming would also have seemed like science fiction a hundred years ago. An unlikely but enormous risk can deserve attention, as we do with pandemics and climate. And the two don't compete much: teaching that all sentient beings matter helps today's animals and protects against tomorrow's suffering.

For children

Before going out on your bike, you put on your helmet, even though you probably won't fall. Why? Because if you do fall, you could get badly hurt. Thinking about the future is similar: some bad things might never happen, but if they do, they could be enormous. So it's worth preparing, without stopping caring for those who need help now.

Ask a question back

"Do you think preparing the world for a pandemic before it happened was science fiction?"

Como pode aparecer

"That's science fiction."
Everyday conversation
"Today's animals first, future ones later."
Activism
"Risks of future suffering are nerd paranoia."
Social media
"People who talk about s-risks only think about AI."
Social media
"Tiny probabilities shouldn't guide decisions."
Academic version
"There are more important human problems." (which is J6)
Disguised version

The strongest version

How it is said

"Robot suffering, space colonization, future risks? That's science fiction. Animals are suffering now."

Strongest version (steelman):

  1. P1Resources and attention are limited.
  2. P2Present problems are certain; future risks are speculative.
  3. P3We should prioritize what is certain and urgent.
  4. CSo discussing risks of future suffering wastes resources that should go to today's real problems.

P1 is true, and P3 carries weight. The problem lies in P2, which treats "uncertain" as "irrelevant", and in the conclusion, which assumes the two concerns always compete.

The argument is valid in form, but P2 ignores that importance depends on probability and also on the size of what's at stake.

Full answer

  1. a

    Reconstruction and diagnosis

    A risk's importance depends on three things, and the argument looks at only one:

    FactorQuestionWhat the argument considers
    ProbabilityWhat's the chance it happens?Considers it, and finds it low
    ScaleHow many beings would be affected, and how much?Ignores it
    TractabilityCan we do anything to reduce the risk?Ignores it

    So-called s-risks, risks of suffering on an astronomical scale, combine uncertain probability with immense scale. That combination is what makes them worth attention.

  2. b

    Where the argument breaks

    1. Yesterday's unlikely is today's reality.

    A hundred years ago, the idea of raising tens of billions of birds a year in closed sheds, with genetics selected to grow so fast that many can barely walk, would have seemed like fantasy. Technologies can multiply suffering faster than ethics keeps up.

    2. We already take future risks seriously.

    Plans against pandemics, climate change, nuclear safety and asteroids deal with uncertain, future risks. No one calls them science fiction.

    3. The human test.

    If there were a risk, even a small one, that billions of people would suffer extremely in the future because of decisions made now, no one would say thinking about it is a waste of time. S-risks include animals, artificial minds and humans; dismissing them because they mostly involve non-humans is speciesism.

    4. It isn't just AI.

    Risk factors for future suffering include the expansion of animal farming, wild animal suffering, the possible creation of artificial minds, and political institutions that ignore those who don't vote. Each person can work on one part.

    5. Many actions serve both.

    Widening the moral circle, strengthening consideration for all sentient beings and creating institutions that represent them help animals today and reduce risks tomorrow.

  3. c

    Data and sources

    SourceWhat it saysNote
    Center for Reducing Suffering, introduction to s-risksDefines s-risks as risks of suffering on an astronomical scale in the future
    Baumann, *Avoiding the Worst* (2022)Introduces s-risks and focuses on those that are realistic and avoidableA free book
    Tomasik, "Risks of astronomical future suffering"Discusses scenarios in which future suffering could far exceed today's
    *A Journey Through Animal Ethics*, vol. IX, ch. 1Future risks for sentient beings: an introductionSee also chs. 5 and 7
  4. d

    The strongest counter-reply: Pascal's mugging

    The most serious version says: if any tiny risk multiplied by astronomical numbers can dominate our priorities, we'll be manipulated by imaginary scenarios. This is the problem known as "Pascal's mugging": accepting arguments like this leads to absurd decisions.

  5. e

    Why the counter-reply doesn't reach the conclusion

    Not every future risk is tiny.

    The s-risks seriously discussed involve real trends, such as the growth of factory farming and the rapid advance of AI, not infinitesimal probabilities.

    The answer to the problem is prudence, not indifference.

    One can avoid betting everything on extreme scenarios and still devote part of one's efforts to plausible risks.

    The recommended actions are robust.

    Advocating consideration for all sentient beings is good in almost any scenario, not only the unlikely ones.

Reasoning errors

Logical

Is the form valid?

False dilemma
Either we take care of the present, or the future

Epistemological

Does the evidence support it?

Ignoring scale
Assesses the risk only by its probability
Normalcy bias
Assumes the future will resemble the present

Moral

Is the criterion coherent?

Speciesism
Dismisses risks that mostly involve non-humans

Biases

Normalcy bias

The future seems a calm continuation of the present

Literature on risk perception

Temporal discounting

What's far away seems less important

Literature on hyperbolic discounting

Status quo bias

Today's world seems the stable default

Samuelson and Zeckhauser, 1988

Extrapolations

The principle being tested is: "future, uncertain risks don't deserve attention while there are present problems".

If it applied to…PandemicsTap to see

Preparing in advance would be wasteful

Covid-19 showed otherwise

If it applied to…ClimateTap to see

Cutting emissions could wait

Contradicts climate science

If it applied to…Nuclear safetyTap to see

Preventing unlikely accidents wouldn't be worthwhile

No one accepts this

Contradictions

Supports pandemic prevention and action on climate change.

Future and uncertain risks.

Insures their home or car.

Against unlikely but serious risks.

Recognizes that factory farming grew beyond what anyone imagined.

Which shows the "impossible" happens.

What the argument gets right

What is true

It's right that there is real, urgent suffering now, that resources are limited, and that discussions about the distant future can turn into empty speculation or an excuse to ignore the present. It's also right that arguments with tiny probabilities and huge numbers call for caution.

But

But ignoring the future is also a bet, and a risky one. Preventing is cheaper than fixing, and many of the best ways to protect the future are the same ones that help animals today.

Connections

Usually comes before

M11 Those not yet born don't matterThe future is dismissed as fantasy
M9 Machines will never feel; robots and AIs need no rightsThe possibility of artificial minds is called fiction
M12this argument

Usually comes after

J6 There are more important human problems.The priority of the present becomes a human priority
K1 One person doesn't make a difference.The scale of the future seems to make any action useless

Go deeper in Questão de Ética

Chapters from the open-access collection A Journey Through Animal Ethics that discuss this argument in more detail:

References