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"Those not yet born don't matter"

The answer in one sentence

those not yet born feel nothing today, but they will feel what we leave them. That's why burying toxic waste that will poison children fifty years from now is wrong, even though the victims don't exist yet. When suffering happens doesn't change how much it hurts, and decisions made now, about technology, institutions and who counts morally, will affect immense numbers of beings, human and animal.

Short answer

Those not yet born feel nothing today, but they'll feel what we leave them. That's why it's wrong to bury toxic waste that will poison children decades from now. The same goes for animals: today's decisions about farming, technology and who counts morally will affect billions of beings yet to be born.

For children

If you plant a tree today, the person who sits in its shade may be a child who hasn't even been born yet. And if you throw rubbish in the river today, the one who suffers may be someone who hasn't been born yet either. What we do now reaches those who come later, people and animals.

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"Is burying toxic waste that will poison children fifty years from now wrong, even though they don't exist yet?"

Como pode aparecer

"Let the future sort itself out."
Everyday conversation
"Future beings are just possibilities."
Everyday conversation
"Today's problems first, the rest later."
Politics
"Longtermism is an excuse to ignore those suffering now."
Social media
"There are no obligations toward merely possible people."
Academic version
"That's science fiction; we have real problems now." (which is M12)
Disguised version

The strongest version

How it is said

"I care about the people who exist now. Let the future sort itself out."

Strongest version (steelman):

  1. P1Only beings that exist can have interests.
  2. P2Future beings don't exist yet; they're only possibilities.
  3. P3Possibilities can't be harmed.
  4. CSo we have no duties toward future beings.

P2 is true. The problem lies in P1 and P3: future beings, when they exist, will have real interests, and our actions today can harm them.

The argument is valid in form, but not sound: it confuses not existing yet with never being affected.

Full answer

  1. a

    Reconstruction and diagnosis

    The argument confuses two things:

    ClaimStatus
    Future beings feel nothing todayTrue
    Future beings can't be harmed by what we do todayFalse: when they exist, they'll suffer the consequences

    Temporal impartiality is the idea that suffering doesn't matter less because it happens a hundred years from now, just as it doesn't matter less because it happens on another continent.

  2. b

    Where the argument breaks

    1. The toxic waste case.

    Almost everyone agrees it's wrong to bury waste that will contaminate whoever lives there in the future. If future beings didn't matter, there'd be nothing wrong with it.

    2. Veganism already thinks about the future.

    Much of the impact of no longer buying animal products concerns animals not yet born, who will no longer be bred to suffer. Whoever accepts this already accepts that future beings matter.

    3. The human test.

    Climate policy, pensions, forest preservation and pandemic prevention are decisions taken today with people yet to be born in mind. No one considers them absurd. Applying the same reasoning to animals and other sentient beings is simply being consistent.

    4. Future numbers could be immense.

    If civilization lasts a long time, the number of sentient beings affected by today's decisions, humans, animals and perhaps artificial minds, could far exceed that of everyone who has ever lived.

    5. Thinking about the future doesn't require ignoring the present.

    Many actions that reduce future suffering, such as widening the moral circle and fighting speciesism, also help now.

  3. c

    Data and sources

    SourceWhat it saysNote
    *A Journey Through Animal Ethics*, vol. IX, ch. 2Temporal impartiality: what it is, and why it mattersSee also ch. 3, on future beings as merely potential beings
    Parfit, Reasons and Persons (1984)Discusses our obligations to future generations, including the non-identity problemOxford University Press
    MacAskill, What We Owe the Future (2022)Argues that positively influencing the long-term future is a moral priorityBasic Books
    Center for Reducing Suffering, introduction to s-risksIntroduces the risks of suffering on an astronomical scale in the future
  4. d

    The strongest counter-reply: the future is too uncertain

    The most serious version says: even if future beings matter, we don't know what will happen or which actions today will have an effect. Focusing on the distant future would trade certain, present suffering for uncertain bets.

  5. e

    Why the counter-reply doesn't reach the conclusion

    It changes the subject.

    It moves from "do future beings matter?" to "can we help them?". The answer to the first is already yes.

    Some actions are worthwhile in almost every scenario.

    Spreading the idea that all sentient beings matter, strengthening institutions and preventing technologies that cause mass suffering are good bets in almost any future.

    Uncertainty isn't zero.

    We also act under uncertainty on climate and public health, and we don't stop planning because of it.

Reasoning errors

Logical

Is the form valid?

Equivocation
Confuses "doesn't exist now" with "won't be affected"

Moral

Is the criterion coherent?

Temporal partiality
Discounts suffering just because it's in the future
Double standard
Accepts thinking about the human future (climate, pensions) but not the animals'

Epistemological

Does the evidence support it?

Hyperbolic discounting
Gives exaggerated weight to the present because it's closer

Biases

Temporal discounting

What's far away in time seems worth less

Literature on hyperbolic discounting in behavioral economics

Identifiable victim

Future beings have no face or name

Literature on the identifiable victim effect

Scope insensitivity

Astronomical numbers stop moving us

Linked to K1

Extrapolations

The principle being tested is: "we only have duties toward those who exist now".

If it applied to…Toxic wasteTap to see

Burying it would be acceptable if the victims weren't born yet

No one accepts this

If it applied to…ClimateTap to see

There'd be no moral reason to cut emissions for those yet to be born

Contradicts environmental ethics

If it applied to…Farmed animalsTap to see

It would be indifferent how many animals will be born to suffer

Contradicts veganism itself

Contradictions

Thinks burying toxic waste is wrong.

Though it will only harm those not yet born.

Supports action on climate change.

Which mainly benefits future generations.

Saves for children and grandchildren.

Including those not yet born.

What the argument gets right

What is true

It's right that present suffering is certain and urgent, that the future is uncertain, and that there's a risk of using the distant future as an excuse to ignore those suffering today. It's also right that there are hard philosophical debates about beings who may or may not come to exist.

But

But none of this makes future beings irrelevant. Suffering doesn't matter less because it happens a hundred years from now, and many of the decisions that will determine it are being made now.

Connections

Usually comes before

K1 One person doesn't make a difference.Today's effects on the future seem too small
M11this argument

Usually comes after

B6 Without farming, these animals wouldn't even exist.The same debate about who will or won't exist
J6 There are more important human problems.The human present is put ahead of everything

Go deeper in Questão de Ética

Chapters from the open-access collection A Journey Through Animal Ethics that discuss this argument in more detail:

References

Philosophy

  • Reasons and Persons. Oxford University Press.
  • What We Owe the Future. Basic Books.

Reducing suffering