For the Animals
An Argument Guide
PT

Home / B. Harm, death and welfare / Part DIR

B6

"Without farming, these animals wouldn't even exist."

The answer in one sentence

bringing someone into existence gives no right to kill them. Parents give life to their children and gain no right over their lives because of it. Henry Salt called this argument, in 1914, "the logic of the larder": the idea that whoever loves animals most would be whoever breeds the most of them to eat. And it protects no animal that already exists; it only justifies breeding others to kill.

Short answer

Giving someone life doesn't give the right to take it: parents give life to their children and gain no right over their lives. Someone who doesn't exist loses nothing by not existing; someone who exists loses everything by being killed. And the sentence protects no cow that exists today: it only justifies breeding others to kill. No one would say breeding dogs for meat is a favor to dogs.

For children

Your parents gave you life. Does that mean they can do whatever they want with you, even hurt you? Of course not! Giving someone life doesn't give the right to take it. It's the same with animals: making a calf be born doesn't give anyone the right to kill it later.

Ask a question back

"If someone had a child only to sell it later, would having given it life justify the sale?"

Como pode aparecer

"If no one ate them, there'd be no cows."
Everyday conversation
"We're giving them life."
Everyday conversation
"Vegans want chickens to go extinct."
Everyday conversation
"Thanks to barbecues, billions of cattle exist."
Social media
"Would you rather they'd never been born?"
Rhetorical question
"Replaceable animals are not harmed if they are killed and replaced."
Academic version
"One dies, another is born: it evens out."
Everyday conversation
"What would we do with the animals if everyone went vegan?" (which is J5)
Disguised version

The strongest version

How it is said

"If no one ate meat, there'd be no cows. We're giving them life."

Strongest version (steelman):

  1. P1Existing with a life worth living is better, for a being, than not existing.
  2. P2Farmed animals only exist because they are bred for consumption.
  3. P3If consumption ended, these animals would not exist.
  4. CSo consumption benefits the animals by bringing them into existence.

The strong version has a well-known philosophical formulation, the replaceability argument: if each animal killed is replaced by another with an equally good life, the total amount of well-being in the world does not decrease.

The argument is valid. Its soundness fails at P1, which treats non-existence as a loss for someone who doesn't exist, and in the conclusion, which moves from "brought into life" to "may kill".

Full answer

  1. a

    Reconstruction and diagnosis

    The argument treats existence as a gift that gives rights to the giver:

    StepWhat the argument assumesThe problem
    Not existing would be bad for the animalSomeone who doesn't exist can be harmedThere is no one to be harmed by non-existence
    Giving life is a benefitThe benefit creates a creditBenefits create no right over the life of whoever received them
    So killing is allowedThe credit licenses the harmNo human relationship works like that
  2. b

    Where the argument breaks

    1. Bringing into existence gives no right to kill.

    Parents, dog breeders and sanctuaries bring animals and people into existence, and no one considers that this licenses them to kill.

    2. Someone who doesn't exist isn't harmed.

    There is no cow who fails to exist and misses life. Whoever loses something is the cow who exists and is killed. The argument compares a real being with an imaginary one.

    3. Henry Salt answered this in 1914.

    In the essay The Logic of the Larder, Salt observed that, by this reasoning, the true lover of animals would be the one whose larder was fullest of them. He called the idea the very negation of reverence for life.

    4. The life given is rarely good.

    About three quarters of farmed animals live in intensive systems (B2). For them, "we gave them life" means "we gave them a life of confinement".

    5. Extinction is not a harm to the animals.

    The end of farming would reduce the number of animals born to die; it wouldn't kill the ones that exist. Domesticated species could go on existing in smaller numbers, and many were shaped by breeding to serve production, with health problems they wouldn't have on their own.

    6. Killing someone who exists isn't the same as not breeding someone.

    When an animal is killed, there is an individual who loses their life. When an animal is not bred, no one loses anything: there are only possibilities. That's why one death is not "cancelled out" by another birth. If it were, parents could kill a child as long as they had another in its place.

  3. c

    Data and sources

    SourceWhat it saysNote
    Salt, *The Humanities of Diet* (1914), essay "The Logic of the Larder"Criticizes the idea that breeding animals to eat would benefit themPublished by the Vegetarian Society
    Singer, *Practical Ethics* (1979)Discusses the replaceability of beings without a sense of themselves over timeCambridge University Press; basis of the strongest counter-reply
    Our World in Data, *How many animals are factory-farmed?*About 74% of farmed land animals live in intensive systemsShows that the life given is rarely good
    Questão de Ética, vol. III, ch. 8Discusses the claim that animals are replaceableBasis of the last point
    Questão de Ética, vol. IV, ch. 7Answers the argument that raising animals is justified because it makes them existSame topic, applied to farming
  4. d

    The strongest counter-reply: replaceability

    The most serious version says that, for beings without a sense of themselves over time, what matters is the total amount of good experiences in the world. If an animal with a good life is killed and replaced by another with an equally good life, the total doesn't change. Peter Singer discussed this idea, though with many caveats.

  5. e

    Why the counter-reply doesn't reach the conclusion

    It proves too much.

    Applied to beings without self-awareness, it would also hold for human newborns. Almost no one accepts this (A12, A16).

    It requires good lives.

    Replaceability only works if each animal has a life worth living, which doesn't describe most animal farming.

    It treats individuals as containers.

    Each animal stops being someone and becomes a place where well-being is stored. That is exactly what an ethics of individuals rejects.

    Singer himself doesn't use it to defend today's consumption.

    He considers it inapplicable to factory farming.

Reasoning errors

Logical

Is the form valid?

Non sequitur
From "brought into life" it concludes "may kill"
Comparison with someone who doesn't exist
Treats non-existence as a harm to someone

Epistemological

Does the evidence support it?

Idealizing the life given
Assumes the life created is good

Moral

Is the criterion coherent?

A credit over another's life
Treats existence as a debt to be paid with death

Biases

The 4Ns rationalization

The animals' existence becomes a ready-made justification

Piazza et al., 2015

Status quo bias

The current existence of herds seems the natural order

Linked to D1

Meat paradox

Presenting consumption as a benefit eases the tension

Linked to E8

Extrapolations

The principle being tested is: "whoever brings a being into existence may kill it later".

If it applied to…ChildrenTap to see

Parents could dispose of their children's lives

No one accepts this

If it applied to…Bred dogsTap to see

Breeders could slaughter them for meat

Almost no one accepts this

If it applied to…Beings created in the labTap to see

They could be killed by whoever created them

Contradicts all research ethics

Contradictions

Doesn't apply the reasoning to children.

Giving life has never licensed anyone to take it.

Wouldn't accept breeding dogs for meat.

Even if it "gave life" to more dogs.

Isn't worried about the extinction of wild species.

The concern for existence appears only for farmed species.

What the argument gets right

What is true

There's a real philosophical question here: the ethics of bringing beings into existence is hard, and whether it's good for there to be more good lives in the world divides serious philosophers. It's also true that the end of animal farming would change the relationship between humans and domesticated species, and that this calls for careful thought.

But

But none of this turns birth into permission to kill. If the animal exists, it is already someone, and what matters is what is done to it, not the fact that it was brought into the world for that purpose.

Connections

Usually comes before

B5 They had a good life and a quick death.If a good life doesn't license killing, it's said they wouldn't even exist
A18 What matters is the species, not the individual.The species survives thanks to farming
B6this argument

Usually comes after

A16 Killing without pain isn't harm.If giving life doesn't license taking it, the reply is to deny that death harms
J5 What would we do with the animals if everyone went vegan?Their existence becomes a practical problem

Go deeper in Questão de Ética

Chapters from the open-access collection A Journey Through Animal Ethics that discuss this argument in more detail:

References