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B5

"They had a good life and a quick death."

The answer in one sentence

the argument combines two promises that are rarely kept and, even when they are, don't justify the conclusion. A good life gives no one the right to take it, and a quick death is still a death. No one would accept the sentence as a justification for killing a dog or a person.

Short answer

A good life doesn't give the right to take it; on the contrary, the better the life, the greater the loss. And a quick death is still the death of a young animal that had many years ahead of it. The comparison with nature is false: the alternative to the slaughterhouse isn't being eaten by a wolf, it's not being bred to die. No one would accept that sentence about a dog.

For children

Imagine someone says: "Your kitten has lived very well, so now he can be killed." Would you agree? No, because he could still live many happy years. Having a good life is no reason to take it away. It's precisely because it's good that it's worth going on living.

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"Would you accept someone killing your dog by saying he had a good life and a quick death?"

Como pode aparecer

"They had a good life and a quick death."
Everyday conversation
"They lived well and died without noticing."
Everyday conversation
"Better than dying in the wild."
Everyday conversation
"A grass-fed steer has a better life than a lot of people."
Social media
"Would you rather it got eaten by a wolf?"
Rhetorical question
"A life worth living followed by a painless death is a net positive for the animal."
Academic version
"Without farming, these animals wouldn't even exist." (which is B6)
Disguised version

The strongest version

How it is said

"The animals had a good life and died without noticing. Better than dying of old age in the wild."

Strongest version (steelman):

  1. P1What matters to an animal is the quality of its life and the absence of suffering.
  2. P2An animal raised with good welfare and slaughtered without pain had a life worth living and a death without suffering.
  3. P3In the wild, many animals die of hunger, disease or predation, with great suffering.
  4. CSo raising and slaughtering with good welfare does not harm the animal, and may even be better for it.

P3 is true: life in the wild involves a great deal of suffering (see Beyond veganism). The problem lies in P1, which leaves out the loss of life, and in P2, which describes a rare ideal.

The argument is valid. Its soundness fails at P1 (A16) and P2 (B1 and B2). The comparison in P3 is a false dichotomy: the alternative to the slaughterhouse isn't the wild, it's not breeding animals to kill them.

Full answer

  1. a

    Reconstruction and diagnosis

    The argument combines two promises and a comparison:

    PartWhat it claimsWhat happens
    Good lifeThe animals lived wellAbout three quarters of farmed animals live in intensive systems (B2)
    Quick deathThey died without noticingStunning fails, and some permitted methods cause pain (B1)
    ComparisonBetter than natureThe real alternative is not breeding them, not releasing them into the wild
  2. b

    Where the argument breaks

    1. A good life increases the loss.

    If the animal's life was good, death takes something valuable from it. The promise of a good life is an argument against killing, not for it (A16).

    2. The animals are killed young.

    In commercial production, broiler chickens are slaughtered at a few weeks old and pigs at about five months, long before the natural end of their lives.

    3. The two promises are rarely kept together.

    Most animals come from intensive farming, and even on the best farms stunning can fail (B1, B2).

    4. The comparison with nature is a false dichotomy.

    Farmed animals wouldn't be released into the wild: they simply wouldn't be brought into existence to die (B6). Wild animal suffering is real, but it isn't the alternative to slaughter.

    5. No one applies the sentence to humans or dogs.

    A happy life has never been a justification for cutting it short.

  3. c

    Data and sources

    SourceWhat it saysNote
    Our World in Data, *How many animals are factory-farmed?*About 74% of the world's farmed land animals live in intensive systemsShows that the "good life" is the exception
    Natural life expectancy and age at slaughterBroiler chickens at a few weeks old; pigs at about five monthsTable from Swissveg, a Swiss vegan organization: chickens 5 to 6 weeks, pigs 5 months
    EFSA, *Welfare of pigs at slaughter* (2020)Permitted methods can cause pain, fear and distress before unconsciousnessAlso used in B1
  4. d

    The strongest counter-reply: a net positive

    The most serious version says that, for animals who would not otherwise have existed, a good life followed by a painless death is a net positive: they gain a life worth living. It would be better for them to exist this way than not to exist.

  5. e

    Why the counter-reply doesn't reach the conclusion

    Bringing someone into existence gives no right to kill them.

    Parents who give life to a child don't gain the right to take it (B6).

    A net positive doesn't require an early death.

    If the animal's life is good, the balance would be even greater if it lived longer. Death doesn't improve the sum; it only cuts it short.

    The counter-reply only applies to the exception.

    For most animals, life is not good, and the balance, even by this criterion, is negative.

Reasoning errors

Logical

Is the form valid?

False dichotomy
Slaughterhouse or the wild, as if there were no other option
Non sequitur
From "it had a good life" it concludes "it can be killed"

Epistemological

Does the evidence support it?

Generalizing from the ideal case
Takes the exception as the rule

Moral

Is the criterion coherent?

Reducing harm to suffering
Forgets the loss of life

Biases

Optimism bias

Assumes the animals eaten had the life shown in the ads

Linked to B2

Meat paradox

The image of a good life eases the tension between liking animals and eating them

Loughnan, Haslam and Bastian, 2010

Willful ignorance

People avoid learning how the animals really lived and died

Linked to E7

Extrapolations

The principle being tested is: "a good life followed by a quick death makes death acceptable".

If it applied to…Dogs and catsTap to see

They could be killed after a few years of good life

Almost no one accepts this

If it applied to…HumansTap to see

A happy person could be killed painlessly

Absurd

If it applied to…Rescued animalsTap to see

Sanctuaries could slaughter them after a while

Contradicts the very reason sanctuaries exist

Contradictions

Wouldn't accept the sentence for their own dog.

A pet's good life is a reason to care for it longer.

Mourns the early death of those who lived well.

Among humans, a good life cut short is seen as a tragedy.

Uses nature as a comparison only here.

No one justifies other practices by saying they'd be worse in the wild.

What the argument gets right

What is true

A life with good welfare is much better than a life in confinement, and a painless death is much better than a painful one. It's also true that nature holds enormous suffering, and that idealizing wild life would be a mistake.

But

But none of this turns death into a favor. If the animal's life is good, the best thing to do for it is to let it live.

Connections

Usually comes before

B1 There is humane slaughter.Combines the two promises
B2 Free-range animals are happy.If the life isn't that good, the promise of a quick death is added
A16 Killing without pain isn't harm.Pairs painless death with the promise of a good life
B5this argument

Usually comes after

B6 Without farming, these animals wouldn't even exist.If a good life doesn't license killing, it's said they wouldn't even exist
F3 So should we stop lions from hunting?The comparison with nature turns into a taunt

Go deeper in Questão de Ética

Chapters from the open-access collection A Journey Through Animal Ethics that discuss this argument in more detail:

References