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A25

"Animals don't know they're going to die, so killing them is fine"

The answer in one sentence

what's bad about death isn't knowing you'll die, but what death takes from the one who dies: everything they would still have lived. If not knowing made killing acceptable, it would be acceptable to kill babies, people with advanced dementia, or someone asleep with no inkling of what's about to happen. No one accepts that. And many animals, though they may not understand death, anticipate the future and feel fear in the face of danger.

Note: this chapter deals with anticipation and the relationship to the future. The question of pain at the moment of death is in A16

Short answer

Not knowing you'll die doesn't make death harmless. A baby, a person with advanced dementia or someone sleeping peacefully also don't know they're about to die, and killing them would be one of the worst crimes. What's bad about death is what it takes: all the life still to come. And the animal loses that, whether it knows or not.

For children

A baby doesn't know what dying is. A person who's asleep isn't thinking about it either. Even so, everyone knows that hurting them would be very wrong, because they'd lose everything they were still going to live. It's the same with animals: not knowing they'll die doesn't make their life worth less to them.

Ask a question back

"Would it be acceptable to kill someone who's asleep, painlessly, just because they don't know what's about to happen?"

Como pode aparecer

"They don't know they're going to die."
Everyday conversation
"Animals live in the present; they don't make plans."
Everyday conversation
"It has no sense of the future, so it loses nothing."
Everyday conversation
"The cow doesn't lie awake worrying about death like we do."
Social media
"Do you think the chicken knows what death is?"
Rhetorical question
"Beings without self-awareness over time have no interest in continuing to live."
Academic version
"Killing without pain isn't harm." (which is A16)
Disguised version

The strongest version

How it is said

"The cow doesn't know it's going to die. It doesn't suffer over it, it doesn't make plans. So what's the harm?"

Strongest version (steelman):

  1. P1Death is only bad for those who fear it or who have plans it cuts short.
  2. P2Animals don't know they're going to die, so they don't suffer in anticipation.
  3. P3Animals don't plan for the future or have self-awareness over time, so they have no projects that death frustrates.
  4. CSo killing them does them no harm, as long as there's no pain.

P2 has some truth to it: most animals probably don't have a concept of their own death as we do. P3 is exaggerated, as studies of animal cognition show. The central problem lies in P1.

The argument is valid. Its soundness fails at P1, which no one accepts when the victim is human, and at P3, which underestimates what many animals know of the future.

Full answer

  1. a

    Reconstruction and diagnosis

    The argument mixes different ideas about why death would be bad:

    IdeaWhat it saysProblem
    Death is bad because of the fear it causesWhoever doesn't know they'll die doesn't sufferConfuses the suffering of anticipating death with the harm of death itself
    Death is bad because it frustrates plansWhoever doesn't plan loses nothingIgnores that one can lose a good future without having planned it
    Death is bad because of what it takes (deprivation)Whoever dies loses the good experiences they would still have hadApplies to any being with a future of experiences, human or not

    The third idea is the most widely accepted in philosophy, since Thomas Nagel, and it's the only one that explains why killing someone in their sleep is wrong. It depends on neither knowing nor planning.

  2. b

    Where the argument breaks

    1. The human test, with those who don't know.

    Babies have no idea what death is. People with advanced dementia or profound intellectual disabilities may have no notion of it and make no plans. By the argument, killing them painlessly would be acceptable. No one accepts that conclusion.

    2. The human test, with those who know but aren't thinking about it.

    An adult who's asleep generally knows they're mortal, but at that moment feels no fear and isn't planning anything. If they're killed in their sleep without waking, they don't suffer in anticipation. Even so, it's a very serious crime, because they lose everything they would still have lived. The same goes for someone killed by surprise, without noticing the danger.

    3. The harm of death isn't the fear of death.

    Fear of dying is an additional suffering, worth avoiding. But the absence of that fear doesn't eliminate the main harm: the loss of the future.

    4. Many animals anticipate the future.

    Western scrub-jays cache food with the next morning's hunger in mind. Chimpanzees and orangutans keep tools to use later. The idea that animals live in a pure present doesn't match what the studies show, even though we don't know whether any of them understands its own death.

    5. Fear doesn't require understanding death.

    Animals feel fear in the face of threats, and transport and slaughter are known sources of fear and stress. An animal may not know what dying is and still suffer at the moment it's taken to die.

    6. The perception of time may be different.

    There's evidence that smaller animals with faster metabolisms perceive visual changes at shorter intervals than we do. This suggests their experience of time may be denser, not poorer, than we imagine.

  3. c

    Data and sources

    SourceWhat it saysNote
    Nagel, *Death* (1970)Death is bad for the one who dies because of what it deprives them of, not because of what they feelNoûs, 4(1)
    Raby et al., 2007Western scrub-jays cache food anticipating the next day's hunger, without being hungry at the timeNature, 445
    Osvath and Osvath, 2008Chimpanzees and orangutans choose and keep tools for future useAnimal Cognition, 11
    EFSA, 2020, "Welfare of pigs at slaughter"Identifies fear, pain and stress among the welfare consequences for pigs at the stages of slaughterEFSA Journal, 18(6)
    Healy et al., 2013Smaller animals with faster metabolisms perceive temporal information at a finer resolutionAnimal Behaviour, 86(4)
    *A Journey Through Animal Ethics*, vol. III, ch. 10Discusses the subjective perception of time and the harm of deathSee also chs. 1, 2 and 4
  4. d

    The strongest counter-reply: time-relative interests

    The most serious version comes from Jeff McMahan: the harm of death depends on how psychologically connected a being is to its own future, through memory, plans and self-awareness. Animals would have a weaker connection, and so would lose less by dying than an adult human.

  5. e

    Why the counter-reply doesn't reach the conclusion

    Losing less isn't losing nothing.

    The counter-reply abandons the conclusion that "killing is fine" and starts discussing the size of the harm.

    The harm has to be weighed against the benefit.

    On the other side is a pleasure of taste (J11). Even a smaller harm weighs more.

    The same account would downgrade humans.

    Babies and people with advanced dementia also have a weak psychological connection to the future. Almost no one accepts that killing them is a small harm (A12, A16).

    Animals have a connection to the future.

    Memory, expectation and stable preferences exist in many species. The difference is one of degree.

Reasoning errors

Logical

Is the form valid?

Proves too much
It would authorize killing babies, people with dementia and people who are asleep
Confusing concepts
Treats the fear of dying as if it were the harm of death

Epistemological

Does the evidence support it?

Underestimating animal cognition
Assumes animals live in a present without a future

Moral

Is the criterion coherent?

Double standard
Accepts deprivation as a harm for humans and denies it for animals

Biases

Motivated denial of mind

Attributing less mind to the animals we eat makes their death less troubling

Bastian et al., 2012

The meat paradox

The idea that the animal doesn't know eases the conflict between liking it and eating it

Loughnan, Haslam and Bastian, 2010

In-group bias

A human's death is a harm even without awareness of it; an animal's isn't

Caviola, Everett and Faber, 2019

Extrapolations

The principle being tested is: "whoever doesn't know they'll die, or isn't thinking about it, isn't harmed by being killed painlessly".

If it applied to…BabiesTap to see

Killing them painlessly would be acceptable, because they don't know what death is

No one accepts this

If it applied to…People with advanced dementia or profound intellectual disabilitiesTap to see

They could be killed painlessly, because they have no notion of death and make no plans

Contradicts human rights

If it applied to…Adults asleepTap to see

They could be killed in their sleep, because at that moment they neither fear nor plan anything

It would be one of the most serious crimes

If it applied to…Victims of sudden deathTap to see

Someone killed by surprise, without noticing the danger, would have suffered no harm

Contradicts the common judgment that they lost their life

Contradictions

Considers killing someone in their sleep a crime.

Even though the victim knew nothing.

Protects babies and people with dementia.

Who don't know they'll die and make no plans.

Mourns the unexpected death of a pet.

Even if it didn't know it was going to die.

What the argument gets right

What is true

It's right that anticipating death is a real source of suffering, which many humans have and most animals perhaps don't. It's also right that species differ in their relationship to the future, and that this may matter in hard comparisons.

But

But the main harm of death isn't knowing it's coming. It's losing everything still to come. If not knowing made death harmless, we could kill babies and sleeping people. Since no one accepts that, it doesn't work for animals either.

Connections

Usually comes before

A16 Killing without pain isn't harm.Once pain is answered, the claim is that the animal doesn't even know it will die
A1 Animals aren't rational.Without reason, there would be no sense of the future
A25this argument

Usually comes after

A12 Human babies have the potential to be rational.When the human test appears, potential is invoked
A22 Humans suffer more than animalsAnticipation becomes the measure of how much one suffers
B5 They had a good life and a quick death.Ignorance of death becomes part of the "good death"

Go deeper in Questão de Ética

Chapters from the open-access collection A Journey Through Animal Ethics that discuss this argument in more detail:

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